Ok I have discovered what the problem is, I forgot to mention that I did a bit of skin weight changes to fix some of my deformations, the character already had his animation blocked out then I decided to make the skin weight changes. So Now my question is how do i get them to settle down ?? I didnt paint them in the base pose I painted them in the positions that where given me trouble. So how can I sort this out Now ?? If anybody can help that would be great Thanks Andy Gee