Hi acid, thanks for the link. How come you stopped? Looked like it the basic shape was on it's way. A small update, the reason the side is such a mess, is that I am preparing it for seperation; the door has a kind of v shape at it's bottom. It's going to be difficult. If anyone can point out any obvious errors at the moment it would help, since the tutorial I was using to assist is fairly useless in regards to the side, since the panel construction on this one (GTR) is totally different. cheers gubar