man, at least 6 - 8 hours.., cant remember.., i think i started the render.., went to college and turned it off a couple of hours before bed because i couldnt wait for the last 75 frames.., did 425 (probably a little over a minute each one.., not real big but.., wll they add up ) frames from memory.., yea.., takes a while but had a lot of different shadowing.., cant tell from the e-mail render but they are there

thanks mate much appreciated.