thanks for the comment Peter. Yeah I think there is a tendancy with Zbrush to absolutely hammer in the micro detail and it can be overkill in some cases. I find it hard to justify the detail at this level sometimes because on a day to day basis when you look at someone you dont actually notice the skin pores, its more a fluctuation of color and not depth. Unless someone has a face with bad acne.... I find the best models are the ones with the subtle details thats when Im knocked out by such models, Altair from assasins creed is a classic example as mentioned already Cheers Jay