hey - thanks a lot everyone. neostrider - thanks! - yeah, i'd been thinking about a trash bag - so after your suggestion, made a quick crappy one in zbrush last night - needs a bit more work on it tho. not really sure what kind of stop sign you're describing - maybe a pic? - though my scene is getting kind of crowded. shadowspy - thanks - i've been using maya for about 2-3 years now. i've got some pics of my stuff on my blog. here's a shot of the trash bag.