well no its animating meeper but im actually using this as a rougth guide for doing my own model, ive cycled through the play button and the fk just swings about, dont think its the wronk ik handle, ive duplicated the arm and have began retracing my steps and so far the problem seems to be solved, but havnt got a clue how its happend? sorry but whats a v6 file? do u mean a version 6 file of my rig?