"Sorry if it sounds a little harsh (Feeling a little mean typing this, but I think it needs to be said)" Not at all Tweetytunes it is a very constructive crit and I agree. After completing the Joker I feel the characters will look and work much better if they are rendered without using the toon shader. I think Kaneda will also look a lot better if he is fully textured and his face will hopefully look more like that of a 16 year old. Thanks for your thoughts on this it is much appreciated, Leon