Originally posted by mastone you may have turned of primary invisibilit, but you haven't turned off cast and receive shadows i think, you should know tha if you are working with maya since version 2 Ofcourse, im such an idiot. Your the best. You made me remember some other details that can make it perfect with some tweaking too. Lots of kisses Hey I haven't used it for years, I am remembering things everyday, I should be happy that I chose not to take Maya 8 because I dont want to know how much differences there is in that one, cheezes.