yeah, hammer you are right the bee is fur. I now have a broom in there which has fur aswell, a couple of dialectric materials, mia_x, light fog, a little displacement too. All of which I could understand if the consistency in the rendering time was there. It's the way, it will render all that in the time it takes me to make a cup of tea one minute, and then has me keeled over silently cursing the world the next. If it always took an hour or more, no worries. When its fluctuating, and occasionally running out of memory, it makes me feel a little out of control, and unhappy about putting more time into it.