Thanks Mike! I actually do those exact same steps to attatch objects, I will have to check out your videos tonight before i keep modelling, i will probably learn a lot. . I learned how to do those steps combining help files on maya and the hand tutorial part 2. Its really about time i buy some points! Dont worry, i will hand select some of them, not download each one on the same day, that would kill bandwidth.. heh. Thanks for the help mike and darkware, its now done and i move onto the legs and arms for my project.... this is great, i love modelling.. even if it is crap.