tch, I get it. Sorry, I thought Hamer meant, when he said plane, the plane the keypad was made out of. re: the floor plane. I did bevel it up good so there was a curved gradient in the back like you mean. But - I much preferred the phone against a black background. when I had walls back there too, it didnt seem as visually strong. I dont understand what you mean about HDRI lighting 'cutting it' Genny? Im still pretty new to using HDRI, need some new hdri images cause I find myself re-using the same ones alot. What are the pitfalls do you think of using HDRI then? This is about as photoreal as I've ever done anything so I see no drawbacks to HDRI as yet.