Hey gster. Thanks for the tips. Here is the finished version https://simplymaya.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35704 I did use a lattice to give the eye some squash and stretch and it worked really well. I ended up just going with FK (just bone chain) for the optic nerve. Just hand keyed. I find sometimes I can spend a whole day just trying to get dynamics to work when a bit of hand keying does the job just as well..if not better. Thanks for your advice Pete B