Instead of the couple of hours I wanted to devote to the grey spots problem I ended up spending 16+ hours to figure it out ..........grrr. This render took 28 minutes to do ..again grrrr It's definitely not the endresult, but the overall look and feel is very nice ( I think), oh and if anyone is using renderman around here...be very very hesitant to set the shadingrate to .1 ( If you know Renderman you"ll get what I mean)