Deep down the crushing truth of your response Mayaniac is true. Gonna try and stay on this gorilla for a while and feel it out. The muscular flow, the fat enveloping, the overall completeness of the model. It is to the point that I can get form on anything. Now I need to progress to the second stage of refinement and then ultimately the alpha stage... Gonna give this one a rest for the day. Have to drive up to Indianapolis for the night tomorrow so I won't update until Friday. You guys take it easy and I will post when I can....

Thanks for the encouraging words guys...