First - thanks for so many responses I really appreciate it So i just did a complete reinstall Opened a new scene and did a sphere lite by a spot light scene. rendered fine in all 4 modes hit alpha and it is fine. then I opened my problem project. I hit render in maya software - rendered black screen in render time: 0.001 (Publicfuntion, this is the time it was taking yesterday for all black renders..) and no alpha. --- but tried mental ray anyway -- and it rendering fine. rendertime: 10:50 weird. So problem semi-solved with a full Regedit purge of anything Maya related and a reinstall. Maya software still doesn't work on this file (worked for new project) ...but mental ray does. maya hardware and vector both render in 1:35 and are ugly but visable. Still wondering what the hell happened