Thanks again for the input and sorry it took me so long to reply. I tried what you suggested but did not have success. Maybe I need clarification on your directions. When you said to "Orient constrain the left hand to the axe" did you mean constrain the left hand skeleton to the axe? That's what I tried. I guess that's the only way to do it since you can't constrain the HIK effectors. The left arm did not follow the axe (golf club in this case). The only result was that the skin of the left hand did change orientation, but the hand skeleton did not. I think I'm screwed on this one!