Hears the shader Keep in mind I have some walls and flore in the seen to warm up the reflections some. Color is set to a wight or pastel. Slider all the way to the right. Diffuse is 1 Translucence is .38 Trans Depth is .9 Trans Focus is .86 Specular Shanding: Cosine 20.63 Spec Color slider to middle Reflectivity 1 Reflected color all the the left Raytracing Options Refractions off Reflection Limit 1 Reflection Specularity 1 Raytrace it ! Any one have some advice or hints of making it bette ? like what is the lowest Reflection Limit I could get away with and still have the same results.. Oh yeah also. I have the defalt light and a spot light. The defalt is behind and slightly right of center.. and the spot is behind the model and far right.. Both have intencitys set to .8 I could play around with bringing the light intencity back up and the Reflection down to get same results.