wicket I am using your idea and a point light, the incandescence and glow didn't seem to light anything up, ao I just used a very low intensity point light. It's just the silver shader from highend3d - made by emmanuel campin(GI_Joe guy) - it's pretty nice - I needed to knock down the reflectivity (change the ramp)and chnged the anistopic material slightly, cause it was frickin bright!!!!