Thanks, Raull glad you like the logos, shoaib Iam extremly flattered that my work has inspired you i have had many works out there as well inspire me to. LOL you saw the old headphones so you now how weak they used to look ragecgi i plan to stay around, this place ROCKS Maya for LIFE. Witchy Iam using a quad modeling technique. Most the time ill either start with a cube smooth it once and then start roughing out a basic shape then ill go in and start to get more detailed in the shape then it starts looking more like i want it to. Acuatly know iam starting to lean more to just plane old extruding and building it face by face. Iam starting to realize how much more control i have this way when it comes to edge loops. Heres a wireframe by the way .