Originally posted by roach105 the only big think in Maya 4.5 was fluids. Other than that they put in a bunch of plugins. Maya 5 has a massive amount of enhancements. Just check this out. https://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/pro...newinmaya5.pdf i have to agree with ragecgi. not that i have to upgrade soon to be up to date with the code, but that there really is no real big thing. the pdf reads like a cool advertisement to justify the new number. massive improvements? yeah - if you list every fart in the pdf, it is a massive change. why does a|w need to mention that documentation e.g. is a lot better? documentation in 4.5 is excellent, imho. i dont agree with "only fluid was new in 4.5". free mental ray and subd->nurbs jumps to my mind. but you consider this as stupid plugins. what is so bad about plugins? i would call you stupid if you dont use plugins, and not honor you for you hard way to archive "this picture was done using no plugin at all". unlimited is crap as well according to you - live, fur, cloth is stupid because it is only plugins. if plugins are supposed to feel that way, then yes, i want more more more plugins ...