thanks for the feedback. maybe i should make his breast a bit fuller. actualy i tried that, but if i make it more like a fat person he looks too much like a female. and i did not want him look ugly fat either. not sure yet how i will animate his belly. maybe a softbody or jiggle deformer or spending an extra bone just for the belly (nobody tells you to create realistic skeletons, right). and if somebody cares - him his a subd character. the low poly version has a bit less than 800 mostly quads (a few unavoidable triangles). why not just smooth him out as poly? i thought about that, but decided against it as it would just create a too high poly count.