oh oh - that is scary. brian not using maya for how many hours at home? and i dont even want to imagine what you are able to create when you do make a concept afterwards i can at least say - that i was in the same challenge as brian was. yeah it was fun, as i avoided all the nice shots in this thread. lol - just kidding. good to see you in. this will enhance the challenge. now i know i have to try harder than hard to have the slightest chance