Originally posted by Aerlinger On the plus side, in the 3d field there is little need for crap programs like Bryce or Poser since they are only powerful enough to make spheres, tori, and displacement maps. 1) First of all, as much as you think that Bryce/Poser are limited, I dont appreciate you saying they are crap and are good for "making spheres, tori, and disp. maps"... 2) Secondly, if it wasn't for these "crap" programs, I would not be here right now.. (and I'm sure a lot of others) so the next time, please think about what these crap programs can do.... and by the way, I suppose the Sphere making programs made this too? -Emo