ok, I have thrown in the towel, raised the white flag, so on, an so forth. Brain, Howard, not for a guilt trip here, you have both been very supportive. However, I can not compete with you guys. YOur designs, are wonderfull, amazing even. Now I promise you, after a bit more practice, (and alot less problems with my computer) I will be ack in the ring. But untill then, you guys just design on. Who knows, mabey one day you'll become mods and I wont have to worry about you anymore, . Tah tah for now.