comon, I'm intrested. ok how long for a render (with lights) used a smooth? For example, the short movie which i made. Each frame took 5 minutes for rendering (1650 frames without title). It's terrible for me but anyway, i was patient and you can see it now depends on what you want to do with it. you can get away with a terrible mesh if it's going to be a still shot, or a distance shot. The majority of my models have a skeleton and animation. Something good, something bad, but majority. how long you been using Max? i don't remember ... maybe 2 years, i think ... For everybody, thank you again The news I finished my home page, if you have a time, welcome. Here it is https://home.balticom.lv/pal/index.html