hahah funny that you posted that img, i saw that long long time ago and it was the inspiration behind it. but i'm actually modelling from mcfarland's toy. that img and 3 more can be found here, https://psychoform.com under 3d hard surfaces.after seeing those imgs i modified my model somewhat thanks for the comments. it's really frustrating for someone just starting to learn this app because i know exactly what i need to do but i do not know the tools well enough to utilize them or even find them in the ui. and right now, i don't really know what surfacing tools should be used for what purpose because i don't have enough experience with them to know the advantages and disadvantages. i'll definitely give it a shot with birail. thanks again