cool, thanks everyone, I am thinking of using a different program to model my character, what programs would you reccommend? I have used a number of 3d progs in the past, a few good ones I came across for modeling were Animation Master, Poser, DreamWorks and Cinema4d. I might go back to animation master, but I cant seem to find any tutorials, but its a good modeling program. Zbrush is kinda hard to use and I cant find any modeling tuturoails for that one as well. As for the ideas that eveyone has posted here, I have tried those ideas out long before you guys mentioned them, I am not used to the maya's interface for modeling, but I am used to it for animation though. once again, thanks for all ur help.