Mike, cool. Rick thanks. LOL I have plunty of ref for generic female bodys. But hay you could share anyway.. LOL swap some CD's etc.. Yeah about the Hydrolics. I think I will finish up what I'm going to on them today.. probly be gone to visit family in KY. Thin when I'm back I'll pull a full female model out of the hat with the time left.. maybe last day for background, rendering... (looks at the time, growns)