thanks for droppin in robot..hm not sure do.. Onlooker ,yeah totally ..its so hard actually insane if you dont really have experience modeling from a pic that u havent drawn or something..I tell ya crasy sttuff.thankx for letting me know do I was starting to think it was me ...and her side view geez .u can see the crease between the lips normaly u cant see it in profile .geez!. am attaching a nu render trying to fix the eyes god honestly I still havent gotten them .the model screws up a bit as am doing stuff....