Mike: thanks Mike i was thinking of making the nails a diffrent mesh and jus attach it to the foot mesh. what do you think? will that work? coz in Stahlberg's tut he was using SubDs in which he can apply a crease. in polyproxy the only way to do it is by adding more edges...there are too many edges already...i'll try and see though if i can do that also. and i agree...its a bit flat hehe Pony: yeah ur right and so is Mike...i finally saw it after i had some sleep. lol . thanks! 3dgurl: ey thanks! Clod Thanks Clod...