Excellent - Ahh no worries. These things do cause dilemmas. Just to clarify, any of these types of maps do have their own problems and one is not necessarily better than the next - it just has to do a job and look convincing depending on how it will be viewed. Ive helped create some 8k bump maps over the last year and when you see the final animation they look fine and nobody would even know.....so its horse for course as they say. cheers Jay