Man, did I not test this on site for you? What was my answer? Jay I posted this a few days before i sent you that e-mail Jay. You're answer worked well for the common extrudes. I do still think that a script or plugin that would allow you to see the translation value of a selected component along the selected axis would be brilliant though. I'll see if i can get a screen grab series demonstrating what i mean there for you ND. No problem on the reply. Ironically the job that i was working on that had this problem got postponed till after a big convention next month, i was asked to do something else in its stead.. a Studio accurate GR-75 Rebel Transport..yey... George