cheers geezers, it has changed slightly since then. sorry for the treble post - every time i tried to post it went to a not found page and when I refreshed the thread the post wasn't there

zyk - will def give him some lips

jango - cheers for the explanation, I will have to start checkin myself out in the mirror how you doin?? ) - will alter brows - in the updated version (not attached) i have flared the nostrils more satisfactorily but still a way to go