Originally posted by twisteddragon33
Well we live(in the USA) in a republic, where select people take on the role of the many. So we have a representitive of many people there will be no direct vote of one person. Your vote does not matter, your electoral colleges representitives vote is what matters. They however are usually of lower upper class status, how can they accurately interpret what middle and lower classes need in the first place?
Here (Spain) is a constitutional monarchy, while the king is (now) primarily a decorative figure he is still the military head and has veto power over the executive on military questions. He was the one who led the transition from a dictatorship to democracy, (after the natural death of Franco on the 75 he took the power) by making legal all the political partys and convoking elections on the 77 and passing a joint ageed constitution with the congress on 78. (On 23-Feb-81 the extreme right wing part of the military did took the congress by the force with two tanks divisions to make a new dictatorship (with USAs CIA support, btw), when he said "cease and desist, you fools" and enforced the constitution)
(Before Franco´s right wing dictatorship we had two republics and loads of monarchys, a german king loosely connected by bloodline, a french governor brother of Napoleon... the list can go on...)
The parliament (legislative power) is composed by the congress and the senate, its members get there proportionally to the number of votes that gets the closed list of members each political party presents on each votation. The parliament proposes and passes laws and oversees the actuations of the government. The congress purposes and passes lawa, the senate can veto or make enmendations and return it to the congress before passing it and then the king can either veto it (never seen it yet) or make it official. The President comes from the election of the congress,(ie it is the head of the list of the political party with simple majority of congressists). The president then chooses whoever he wishes to make the government and they the rest of the administration (again the king can veto somebody out, but neveer seen it yet).
The judicial power oversees it all evolves according the law.
Ie it is like most of other democracys but with a king with veto power but no executive power whatsoever, and while im republican in the sense that it would be nice to have a republic (or at least a referendum to see if we want one), i am JuanCarl-ist in the sense that what he did during the transition was simply awesome.
But then, we alone vote rich ppl to be on power positions...
Originally posted by twisteddragon33
The rick control the world because the lower classes power is given to them to make thier decisions. Untill everyone can make their own decisions the rich will rule.
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Why it must be a rich who makes the decisions? why it isnt the most qualified person, money and political loyalties apart? (dont tellme that it is so now, because for the most part that just isnt true, here and there too)
wouldnt it be desirable that the congresists (and, even better, the particular members of the government) get voted on a person by person basis insted of a closed list?
(i mean on the last elections i would even have voted some members of the right (err, i mean, center) wing party for the congress and specially (if i could have done so) to be on certain positions on the government, but i really wished others to not be even in the congress, as it is a closed list i was forced to vote the whole social-democrat list but then again some of the members didnt inspired enough confidence...)
If it is a person by person vote you can try to choose a congress that more closely expresses your political way of thinking... i know, it probably wouldnt be practical in terms of information to make the choice for the regular joe...
But then again the thing is: the rich control the information, and the more money you have the more propaganda you can put on circulation, and the more propaganda you put the more chances you get of being elected, so it is again the money... shouldnt be done something to it too?
(yeah i know since kerry got named head of the democrats he can only spend a fixed amount of money on propaganda till the elections, and the same will happen to bush when he gets elected as head of the republicans, and something similar happens here, but is that enough? and what about the "independent" media?)
Originally posted by twisteddragon33
Shoudl everyone be given equal right to vote? Should ED in your senior class.. you know the kid... he smoked pot between every class, ate glew during art and randomly made farting noises to make people laugh... should he have equal say as an educated highly influential member of society? Yes, and no. His opinion should be heard, but there are reasons people exist to weed out those who opinions are, for lack of better words garbage.
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Oh, Ed, yes i know him... he has some trouble speaking... he cant say nuclear for example... was here on university with me only because his dad caould pay it and even tough hes utterly clueless and spineless he will have a directive possition on a dad´s (or a friend of dad) company where he will be a puppet for the most part and lead a very easy life... the worst thing that can happen is that (god helps us) one day he wants to make a decision by itself... (specially if that decision involves somebody else)
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i would like to refine and check that but ive spent the 15 mins of the coffe on this and now gotta work, if there are inconsistencies point em and ill answer on the evening
Last edited by dragonfx; 04-08-2004 at 10:28 AM.