hey guys tha good-old GeF2Ti still can still cope with the newest games and make a 25-30fps game experience at 1024 resolution with maximum quality but medium particle count and no antialias (who needs it anyways playing at 1024 or 1280...) Cool thing it came with overclockeable drivers (bad in summer tough) I can play mp3 and make background tasks without any noticeable delays(its more a CPU thing that a GPU thing) Still i tough that having passed two years since i bought it the new models would have left it on the dust (it seems not) Im interested in one thing, so i make a general question... What is your model of Graphics card an what is the maximum polycount you can move (ie turn arround/edit a pair of vertex, etc) at about 5-6 fps? (which is the speed where it begins to be painful working at) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quadro FX!!!!! I dare you Nvidia to submit me one to review it!!!