Originally posted by oldhippie_tom I don't have Maya 8, don't think that version lasted long. But I checked in Maya 8.5 and they are combined in it also. About Maya 8, sorry haven't got it to refer to. im quite sure it goes like that i told... but like i said i only use it for 2 weeks... im starting to finally finding out the program,, but i know one thing,, its great to model with it and its a huge program