No, same again, it will be a subd, with either a sdk'd rig or possible blend shapes. Its not for animation anyhow. Lastly Im using Maya Complete, once Ive done enough freelance work to justify the spending of that then I'll be looking at either the syflex cloth plugin and also Shave and Haircut for hair/fur. they have more control than Maya's own right now and are cheaper. Cheers Jay