dude, the goggles were perfect my freind I meant the very last picture of the helmet, the leather on that, the one from a distance (on the table) is great but the one up close (the last jpeg) is the one i was refering to. My friend, enjoy your footy, get back to tha TV and away from the computer for a while. I know you can do the deed mate, only if you agree that the leather needs to be freyed (how do you spell that word) because your doing other stuff now, don't go back over trodden ground for me, only if you think it needs it and doesn't interfer, BUT I appreciate your gesture, didn't go over me...:attn: