Sorry bout the late reply, had to format computer and reinstall everything :S what a hassel, luckily i backed up my maya things Thanks jay, appreicate it this will help me alot for when i start to model lower res models. especially this topology i like even more, soo smooth and clean lol. hey R@nSiD, are you telling me there is a way to see HL2 models? how awesome! where abouts can i get sdk... marlon