Jay: Well it was actually a very late night reply. Good luck in court 'Judge Edwards' gster123: I've spilt milk over a pc before, and curry, but I'm much more professional now. Thanks for your interest, I hope to have an update on here this evening. dockode: I think it's better, especialy version 4. I'm using V3.something. The main attraction though is that I have Maya Complete, and Shave only cost a few hundred quid, whilst upgrading Maya to Unlimited would cost the price of a damn good holiday for a family to Las Vegas. Shave is claimed to have been used on King Kong, Underworld Evolution, Ultraviolet, and others. Granted they prob had in-house techs to rewrite it to work better(Weta in particular) but still, If it's good enough for them... Gio