LOL yeah its only the 3rd of April not 6th (starts this Sunday) Poly wise its mainly quads, I had a few nightmares where models were coming to me with 9 sided polys+(someone needed shooting). Some we had to let go thru as (time contraints) but renderman turns them into quads on rendering thru the smoothing algorythm, but its not ideal really as it puts more work on the renderer... _J