ok another thing, slightly different, i used the curve tool to make some objects (after revolving and whatnot) i then used the loft and planar to put stuff together, and when i select all the object and try to group them, it doesnt group, it says it did, but when i select one, they are seperate and not grouped, any way to get them grouped? (this is the tutorial i was following https://en.9jcg.com/comm_pages/blog_content-art-105.htm) thanks