Jim, this might not be something new but i kind of think it has potential but i am not good enough. It is enough to say that the lights in Maya do not act like real light, so i hope you can see this picture OK. there is only one spotlight but there seems to be definition like reflected light if you look closely at the shadowed part of the ball, this shader reacts to brightness and light. It is the two tone shader. it has linear interpolation, and looks like it has a slight fill. remember before anything, this is the first time i have put this to theory. when i wrote the first post i was wondering if anybody knew more about them. they seem over looked and i think it is the word 'toon' that puts people off a bit. they are great for that because i did try a sort of anime and it was quiet incredible.