HAHA well, we figured a "problem" such as this could come in handy for some sort of chrome or liquid type character hehe. I havent been bale to chekc these forums as often as I was able to previously do to my work load increasing and such. I will try your suggestion McKinley =) In regards to the rigging yes the red curves are part of the rig setup and the wings were rigged using the rigging tut for a bird by Alex Alvarez. I believe this tut is available on www.highend3d.com under the maya tuts section under rigging/animation. I will update you guys soon as I can.