Hi, thanks for the response. I have tried just duplicating the faces I need, or duplicating them all the deleting those I don't need, but in each case it will fail to make a blend shape - it says that the meshes don't match. Am I doing something wrong? Also, can I safely bind and paint him before the blend shapes? It's just that I'm keen to get him rigged up first if possible - can I just adjust the deformation order later in the inputs list? thanks again, gubar