thanks blomkaal and geemge for helping me out with the vert prob! should speed things up when i start working on this again. will post new images sometime this week. this should be my first maya model i will finish. i always quit halfway when i'm stuck. I-Iybrid: yea... i do agree. it looks kinda wide... but then again: i measured the outer dimensions of my dreamcast, so they should be ok. maybe it's the camera settings? focus distance or something, anyone know more about that? i'm never sure what kind of values i should use in the cam settings... thanks