cool, thanks for that, The coconut shy is kinda barren I agree, ive got to watch how much detail i put in cos of rendering the whole fly through later. As for the shooting gallery i will add targets to stuff in the bar scene. Its based on a shooting gallery when i was young where the targets were static on a western scene. I plan to put things like bottles and a wanted poster into the scene. Thanx for your input, its most appreciated