Jay: Thanks, man. I think you may be right about the chest seeming too flat, I'll try to rectify that for my next update BMS: Sorry, dude, but I was using Sub-D and the wires never look good in that stuff... Anyway, went back to polys and did almost all i need to, I think. Tweaking and Unwrapping up next. Throw some more crits my way if you get a chance and a wire: