I see what you mean, but the more clutter I add to the skeleton, the less you see of the bones. I had some hard time to get that rip cage done and I don't wat to cover it up too much now. I was also thinking of maybe placing a pulsing heart inside the ripcage, which will be animated by morphs. I'm not 100% convinced of how this skeleton turned out yet, maybe later I might want to change this and that, but for now I mainly want to get this char game ready. TDW