Since this is the place for crappy renders here is one i did just now to test some hair settings......Captain Caveman LOL Incase you don't know him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD36ZhpHPpE Hey in my defense it was either that or one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfqm1...eature=related ( This one incidentally always turns a big smile on my face )